Comments on: The Future of Tagging http://zooie.wordpress.com/2006/03/27/the-future-of-tagging/ vik singh's (mainly techy) thoughts Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:41:32 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Nagarjun V http://zooie.wordpress.com/2006/03/27/the-future-of-tagging/#comment-220 Nagarjun V Sat, 25 Nov 2006 14:08:03 +0000 https://zooie.wordpress.com/2006/03/27/the-future-of-tagging/#comment-220 What the heck is NHTML? http://kloggenerator.googlepages.com/nhtml The idea of hierarchial tagging seems interesting. How would it be if one used "NHTML" tags? Although no tagging service i know of supports this kind of a thing. It can work in the case of your e-mail classification, each tag say "CS298" were NHTML'ed with "course work", every time you want to tag something with these two tags, you can use the NHTML'ed tag. It is a list of tags but each is linked from a single NHTML'ed tag. To make matters easy a mouse over each character can be used to show what each tag actually is.Each of these NHTML tags are a kind of a user generated tree. The non-technical user can be spaed the burden by automatting the process of NHTML'ing.... What the heck is NHTML?

http://kloggenerator.googlepages.com/nhtml

The idea of hierarchial tagging seems interesting. How would it be if one used “NHTML” tags? Although no tagging service i know of supports this kind of a thing.

It can work in the case of your e-mail classification, each tag say “CS298″ were NHTML’ed with “course work”, every time you want to tag something with these two tags, you can use the NHTML’ed tag. It is a list of tags but each is linked from a single NHTML’ed tag.

To make matters easy a mouse over each character can be used to show what each tag actually is.Each of these NHTML tags are a kind of a user generated tree.

The non-technical user can be spaed the burden by automatting the process of NHTML’ing….

]]> By: Tagging, when will you grow up? « Padunkle http://zooie.wordpress.com/2006/03/27/the-future-of-tagging/#comment-122 Tagging, when will you grow up? « Padunkle Wed, 06 Sep 2006 16:07:52 +0000 https://zooie.wordpress.com/2006/03/27/the-future-of-tagging/#comment-122 [...] This post discuses the future of tagging, and makes some suggestions for how we can possibly maintain it going forward.  Having spent a lot of time dealing with keywords and synonyms, it’s painfully obvious to me how hard it is to be both flexible and useful.  What if I tag the contact page of a place I’m going to with address, but someone else tags a page because it talks about spoofing a MAC address.  Or what about that keynote speech that someone saw on YouTube?  Where do you draw the line? [...] [...] This post discuses the future of tagging, and makes some suggestions for how we can possibly maintain it going forward.  Having spent a lot of time dealing with keywords and synonyms, it’s painfully obvious to me how hard it is to be both flexible and useful.  What if I tag the contact page of a place I’m going to with address, but someone else tags a page because it talks about spoofing a MAC address.  Or what about that keynote speech that someone saw on YouTube?  Where do you draw the line? [...]

]]> By: zooie’s blog » Blog Archive » The Future of Tagging - Part II http://zooie.wordpress.com/2006/03/27/the-future-of-tagging/#comment-64 zooie’s blog » Blog Archive » The Future of Tagging - Part II Mon, 03 Jul 2006 18:59:16 +0000 https://zooie.wordpress.com/2006/03/27/the-future-of-tagging/#comment-64 [...] Note: Refers to the ideas described in the original post [...] [...] Note: Refers to the ideas described in the original post [...]

]]> By: Saahil Chopra » Blog Archive » 10 Ways to improve Gmail http://zooie.wordpress.com/2006/03/27/the-future-of-tagging/#comment-31 Saahil Chopra » Blog Archive » 10 Ways to improve Gmail Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:26:08 +0000 https://zooie.wordpress.com/2006/03/27/the-future-of-tagging/#comment-31 [...] 8) Hierarchial Labels:: I label my conversations very generously, like I label my bookmarks. For example: I have one called Blogging and one called Blog friends, one as Chrono Tron, you get the drift don’t you? How about hierarchial Tags, like Hierarchial Folders. The concept may sound stupid but has immense scope. Check out this post for more on this area. And Speaking of Labels, the attachment system could be changed, as if you are inserting big attachments, it takes time for the email to be processed. I prefer AJAXy sending the attachment to the server, at the same time typing the rest of the email. [...] [...] 8) Hierarchial Labels:: I label my conversations very generously, like I label my bookmarks. For example: I have one called Blogging and one called Blog friends, one as Chrono Tron, you get the drift don’t you? How about hierarchial Tags, like Hierarchial Folders. The concept may sound stupid but has immense scope. Check out this post for more on this area. And Speaking of Labels, the attachment system could be changed, as if you are inserting big attachments, it takes time for the email to be processed. I prefer AJAXy sending the attachment to the server, at the same time typing the rest of the email. [...]

]]> By: Chrono Tron - 100% » Blog Archive » 10 Ways to Improve Gmail http://zooie.wordpress.com/2006/03/27/the-future-of-tagging/#comment-30 Chrono Tron - 100% » Blog Archive » 10 Ways to Improve Gmail Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:37:55 +0000 https://zooie.wordpress.com/2006/03/27/the-future-of-tagging/#comment-30 [...] 8) Hierarchial Labels:: I label my conversations very generously, like I label my bookmarks. For example: I have one called Blogging and one called Blog friends, one as Chrono Tron, you get the drift don’t you? How about hierarchial Tags, like Hierarchial Folders. The concept may sound stupid but has immense scope. Check out this post for more on this area. And Speaking of Labels, the attachment system could be changed, as if you are inserting big attachments, it takes time for the email to be processed. I prefer AJAXy sending the attachment to the server, at the same time typing the rest of the email. [...] [...] 8) Hierarchial Labels:: I label my conversations very generously, like I label my bookmarks. For example: I have one called Blogging and one called Blog friends, one as Chrono Tron, you get the drift don’t you? How about hierarchial Tags, like Hierarchial Folders. The concept may sound stupid but has immense scope. Check out this post for more on this area. And Speaking of Labels, the attachment system could be changed, as if you are inserting big attachments, it takes time for the email to be processed. I prefer AJAXy sending the attachment to the server, at the same time typing the rest of the email. [...]

]]> By: Abe Burnett http://zooie.wordpress.com/2006/03/27/the-future-of-tagging/#comment-29 Abe Burnett Wed, 12 Apr 2006 04:58:55 +0000 https://zooie.wordpress.com/2006/03/27/the-future-of-tagging/#comment-29 In my opinion tagging--as currently implemented--is useless and overhyped. I use blinklist as my social bookmarking site (rather than del.icio.us) and it leans heavily on tags. The worst thing about so many implementations of tags is that they're not practical. On Blinklist, in order to find a site I tagged, I have to remember the exact tag I used. Isn't the whole idea of tags to help us out and make things easier? So far it seems like every site has tagging on it in some capacity, but no site/app makes intelligent use of them. Grrrr. Tagging pisses me off, though I hope eventually someone will come up with some intelligent tag practices that will be adopted webwide. In my opinion tagging–as currently implemented–is useless and overhyped. I use blinklist as my social bookmarking site (rather than del.icio.us) and it leans heavily on tags. The worst thing about so many implementations of tags is that they’re not practical. On Blinklist, in order to find a site I tagged, I have to remember the exact tag I used. Isn’t the whole idea of tags to help us out and make things easier? So far it seems like every site has tagging on it in some capacity, but no site/app makes intelligent use of them. Grrrr. Tagging pisses me off, though I hope eventually someone will come up with some intelligent tag practices that will be adopted webwide.

]]> By: Ben http://zooie.wordpress.com/2006/03/27/the-future-of-tagging/#comment-28 Ben Sun, 02 Apr 2006 09:01:05 +0000 https://zooie.wordpress.com/2006/03/27/the-future-of-tagging/#comment-28 Tagging has had success because it is lightweight enough metadata to be easy, and it's non-hierarchical nature lends itself to social applications (like quick aggregation of photo themes on flickr). I think a better approach will be to build tags into the interaction model of applications, turn the actions and intentions of users into inferred or implied tags, then surface that information as a basis for explicit meta-tagging action later (instead of putting so much of a burden on the user). Right now, for example, a searcher types in one or two words as a query to a search engine, then they might pick one or two Web pages to visit. Essentially, they have tagged those pages with the query term, but that metadata is currently lost to the searcher. Instead we ask the searcher to take explicit action to save a Web page, then tag it with terms that may have nothing to do with their original query; the relationship between the two metadata linked to the same entity could be very valuable to both the user and the system. I think this kind of explicit/implicit tagging could add a lot of relevance and richness to a lot of sites and applications. http://www.practicalist.com/archives/000039.html Tagging has had success because it is lightweight enough metadata to be easy, and it’s non-hierarchical nature lends itself to social applications (like quick aggregation of photo themes on flickr). I think a better approach will be to build tags into the interaction model of applications, turn the actions and intentions of users into inferred or implied tags, then surface that information as a basis for explicit meta-tagging action later (instead of putting so much of a burden on the user).

Right now, for example, a searcher types in one or two words as a query to a search engine, then they might pick one or two Web pages to visit. Essentially, they have tagged those pages with the query term, but that metadata is currently lost to the searcher. Instead we ask the searcher to take explicit action to save a Web page, then tag it with terms that may have nothing to do with their original query; the relationship between the two metadata linked to the same entity could be very valuable to both the user and the system. I think this kind of explicit/implicit tagging could add a lot of relevance and richness to a lot of sites and applications.

http://www.practicalist.com/archives/000039.html

]]> By: Cui’s Weblog » links for 2006-03-30 http://zooie.wordpress.com/2006/03/27/the-future-of-tagging/#comment-27 Cui’s Weblog » links for 2006-03-30 Sun, 02 Apr 2006 02:18:37 +0000 https://zooie.wordpress.com/2006/03/27/the-future-of-tagging/#comment-27 [...] zooie’s blog » Blog Archive » The Future of Tagging read it carefully later. (tags: web2.0 tagging programming) [...] [...] zooie’s blog » Blog Archive » The Future of Tagging read it carefully later. (tags: web2.0 tagging programming) [...]

]]> By: drk http://zooie.wordpress.com/2006/03/27/the-future-of-tagging/#comment-26 drk Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:44:22 +0000 https://zooie.wordpress.com/2006/03/27/the-future-of-tagging/#comment-26 While all information might be kept in a relational database - different views - i.e. both tagged and hierarchy views can be generated from the same database. There is no conflict between data held in tree-hierarchies and tagged views - both are functionally equivalent. The same fundamental data underlies both views - its how we use it that counts. While all information might be kept in a relational database – different views – i.e. both tagged and hierarchy views can be generated from the same database.

There is no conflict between data held in tree-hierarchies and tagged views – both are functionally equivalent.

The same fundamental data underlies both views – its how we use it that counts.

]]> By: Simen http://zooie.wordpress.com/2006/03/27/the-future-of-tagging/#comment-25 Simen Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:17:45 +0000 https://zooie.wordpress.com/2006/03/27/the-future-of-tagging/#comment-25 I agree that the relational database model only gets you that far; adding quieries of tags would introduce unnecessary bloat. I think tagging combined with a natural language search algorithm of some kind could probably be combined with tagging. There was a Techcrunch feature not long ago - I can't seem to remember the url - of a starup which lets you bookmark/tag/share Google searches del.icio.us style. That's possibly a way to go. I agree that the relational database model only gets you that far; adding quieries of tags would introduce unnecessary bloat. I think tagging combined with a natural language search algorithm of some kind could probably be combined with tagging. There was a Techcrunch feature not long ago – I can’t seem to remember the url – of a starup which lets you bookmark/tag/share Google searches del.icio.us style. That’s possibly a way to go.

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